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What's the difference between fut san and hok san?

 
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: What's the difference between fut san and hok san? Reply with quote

I know that hok san has a duck-billed mouth and Fut san has a sharper horn, but whats the difference between the drumming and other things like that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fut san lion dance movements are much more fierce and "sharp", while hok san lion dance movements are supposed to be more finesse and smooth
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every group has a different drumming style depending on their lineage--even within HokSan and FatSan styles will differ. Some basic beats follow similar patterns across the two styles, the bowing, 7-star, etc. But even then there are slight variations to each.

You used to be able to tell a group's lineage and Gung Fu style by listening to their drumming, but these days it's sometimes hard to tell because people just copy things they see and hear instead of learning one style.

Drumming is hard to discuss on a forum, better to find a good teacher who can show you the differences in person.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You used to be able to tell a group's lineage and Gung Fu style by listening to their drumming, but these days it's sometimes hard to tell because people just copy things they see and hear instead of learning one style.


And another thing is that nowadays, many teams use Hok San and Fut San lion heads interchangeably, so that makes things confusing too. Some teams even mix up both drumming styles together. A lot of "hybridizing" is going on, which pretty much blurs the line between Hok San and Fut San.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: What's the difference between fut san and hok san? Reply with quote

ballinferlife321 wrote:
I know that hok san has a duck-billed mouth and Fut san has a sharper horn, but whats the difference between the drumming and other things like that.


Horns technically have nothing to do with Fut San or Hok San. Both have been found on the Fut San. If you look you will see they have been out there and can be seen in old pics. Although one would see the Hok San with pretty much only with the fist horn. There was a meaning to bamboo shoot and fist horn back in the day that no longer applies and why you saw Fut San mostly with the Bamboo shoot horn.

Fat San is the older of the two. Hok San was created many decades later by Feng Geng Zhang after he studied Fut San style of lion dancing and made modifications he felt befitting.

Many styles of kung fu were also associated to one or the other because the region they came from. The name is indicative of the region where they were popularly manufactured at the time.

Back then the movements of the Fut San were more based on the martial arts and its power while the Hok San were more based the movements of a cat. Now what you see is the lion is more animated like one would have seen in the northern lion. Which is more like a pekingnese dog.

As for the stepping patterns and drumming it is as lionscave1 has mentioned, it was unique to the style of kung fu style. Now with youtube everyone copies what is popular, like what is trending, yet many don't understand when to play what and what it means or why.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hok Shan is a much younger off shoot of the Fut Shan style and was practiced mostly only in Hok Shan. There were very few Hok Shan teams until the 1990's. The popularity of Hok Shan began with its exposure and successes in lion dance competition. I think one of the reason for the 'intermixing' of styles is also due to the fact that most lion dance styles are poorly documented. The move to make lion dance a Olympic sports by mainly non lion dancers does not help in this too.
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